Posts by Sarah Smiles

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Did You Willingly Get Baptized or Were You Pressured Into It?

by minimus in

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it was expected of me to get baptized and at 9 i was.

what about you?

Sarah Smiles

Age 16 with a 26 year old man so that we could get married in the Kingdom Hall! Does anyone see anything wrong with that picture?

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Found= Rose Ball's Bible Students group! Still going in Australia 2007!

by Witness 007 in

rose ball was russell's "step-daughter," his wife later claimed in divorce court, that russell had an "inapropriate" relationship with her.

before this rose had married australia branch servant hennings and moved to melbourne...however.

{yearbook 83 p.40-43} "in 1908 there was upheaval in australia {watch 1910} branch organiser hennings defected and carried the bulk of the melbourne class with him...brother russell apionted r. nicholson as branch servant.".

Sarah Smiles

I believe Charles T. Russell was a Freemason! I believe the language in his sermon speaks loudly Freemasonary! One thing I do not know is why a Freemason lodge? Can anyone rent a mason lodge? In my viewpoint, during a certain time period the illumanatti were part of Freemasons and they did not have to register lodge members like all Freemasons. That is why Charles Taze Russell has never been registered. Some illumantti survived with the mason like hiding out. I believe Russell was a relative of the Russell who started the Skull and Bones! who gained their wealth in the opium trade. Russell probably did not get much money from his father's tailoring company! but that is just the JDUBS blowing smoke up everyone asses! But Charlies uncle, Charles Tays Russell was one of the richest real estate owner in New York, and the Russell were richer and more powerful than the Rothchilds!

In order, to be a 3rd or 33 degree mason, one must start a business! and write about it then report back his findings. I think Charles was a success with his church and convincing people about his Chart of the ages! Many 33rd degree mason started churches that nothing new. So, the Bible Student was Russell's business and the writing were his studies in the scriptures. They were both steps in order to become (33 degree) 3rd degree mason. Did you think Russell was going to fail with his uncle training him? One thing I found out about Masons is that when one wants that honor, they must go out a start a business and write something. The writing does not have to make any sense only to the mason who did the writings. If it were not for Russell's name Charles Taze Russell would have been just another quack! In fact that is what the majority of people called him a quackier! I did research in Freemason and Skull and Bones as well and Illumantii enough to convince me that he was not a Freemason but an Illumanttii. If it looks like a mason it is a mason! At one time the Freemason's were just labors but somewhere along the line it changed. I found their bible interesting! like the Solomon's Temple! and Jehovah's name. The language is similar to the JDUBs.

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Update: Last Nights Meeting

by FadingELD in

first of all i would like to think everyone for the support i recieved yesterday.

i would also like to shed some light on my past, hopefully this does not give it away as to who i might be.

my wife and i were both raised as jw, we were both baptized when were fifteen years old.

Sarah Smiles

Thank you for recognizing that elders put people through a lot of unecassary pain! Sorry, you have to go through this unfair treatment, but you smart for leaving! Your right about your wife, she sound unstable!

I hope and pray that you can some how get your family back together without the WTBTS! I really am glad that the light became brighter for you and your boys will not loose you! Boys will be boys and there is no reason to DF them for growing! Everything will work out!

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Jesus came in 1914 and NOBODY noticed til when???

by oompa in

i know the end of mankind was supposed to happen in 1914 with the end of the gentile times.

true christians were supposed to all fly to heaven.

now i forget when fds figured out he came in 1914 instead of 1874. and when did we figure out btg was felled?

Sarah Smiles

Hmmm! well you got me there! I know they taught he hurled Satan down in 1914 and that was a sign of his invisible presense. Apparently, Russell figured it out 10 years prior to World War 1. I think everyone knew about that war. Yeap Jesus came in 1918 to rid pyramidology! but that is nto what the Faithful and Descreet Slave taught prior to 1935! Jesus came to give us pyramidology! I say it was a false Jesus!

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Words can hurt - Stupid me!

by JK666 in

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in the past week, i inadvertantly made a snide comment to someone new here on this board.

i sometimes can come across more abrasive than i think i am.

i would like to apologize to anyone else that i may have offended here over the years.

Sarah Smiles

I think you need to start with yourself! Try to be good to yourself, I think your having one of those weeks! One where you wished it would end faster. I think you doing just great with this board and members. I believe that you would not say anything to anyone on here to hurth them and that says something about your character! so heres a

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Every wonder why Jesus was born at.....

by 5go in

every wonder why jesus was born at the same time the roman empire was born.

i thought that quite amazing at one time.

then i found of why..

Sarah Smiles

It looks like he is comparing the mystery birth of the Roman Empire with the mystery birth of Jesus! The Roman Empire was already established prior to Christ birth! Herod the Great was made like a secondary position and he was threaten by them. Herod the Great died around 6B.C. to 4 B.C. which would make Jesus a child coming out of Egypt in Mathew 1. Later they divided the kingdom between Herod's sons, one example in Luke was called Herod the tetrach of Galilee.

More interesting is how can anyone every think they know when Jesus death occurred if they do not know his birth! And they would not know when Acts, Penticostal, happened so the WTBTS can not make claim of another date!

Roman Empire is very interesting and somethings did not change in Jerusalem. The Romans allowed the countries to maintain a certain amount of freedom like the use of language. That would make Paul very interesting person because of his higher education and he worked for the soldiers. So would that make his father part of the miltary since he was a high officer? Perhaps his mother was from the tribe of Benjermin, and married a Roman officer? Just a thought! I go to bed now it's very late!

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How about those Yearbook experiences?

by Frequent_Fader_Miles in

looking back, i realize that the jw yearbook was about the only thing i looked forward to.

i would usually read it in it's entirety.

when i became older and wiser, the information in the yearbook seemed so .... well, shady.

Sarah Smiles

All those struggling pioneers who had no beds or safe place to stay when they went where the need was great! I am so happy I did not read too many of those things they always seemed to have a bible verse that did not match the example! Did you just say what a minute, or ehhh! ahhh!

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Watchtower Secret Society....

by Sarah Smiles in

here is part of the posted watchtower on the wtbts .

secret groups in modern times have often been formed for quite honorable reasons, possibly for "social and benevolent purposes," according to the encyclopdia britannica, and "to carry out charitable and educational programs.

" some fraternal organizations, youth clubs, social clubs, and other groups are also secret, or at least semisecret.

Sarah Smiles

ere some more of this garbage! I got a laugh out of it! and made some comment with smiley faces!

Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site


			Secret Societies— How Great the Threat? Secrecy in the Name of the Lord
	In this series: Why All the Secrecy? Secrecy in the Name of the Lord. shh they do not know other churches use God's name Related topics: Should You Believe Everything You Hear? Not when it come to the WTBTS Who Really Rules the World? mm, Kingdom Hall?		A POISON-GAS attack on the Tokyo, Japan, subway in March 1995 killed 12 people, sickened thousands more, and helped reveal a secret. A religious sect known as Aum Shinrikyo (Supreme Truth) had secretly built up an arsenal of sarin gas to use in pursuit of mysterious goals. A month later a bomb blast shattered a federal building in Oklahoma City, U.S.A., and sent 167 to their death. Evidence seemed to indicate that the attack was in some way connected to the government standoff with the Branch Davidian religious cult in Waco, Texas, exactly two years earlier. At that time some 80 cult members died. The bomb blast also revealed what was a secret to most people: Dozens of paramilitary militia groups now operate in the United States, at least some of which are suspected of secretly planning antigovernment action. Later, as 1995 drew to a close, the charred bodies of 16 persons were found in a forested area near Grenoble, France. They had been members of the Order of the Solar Temple, a small religious cult that in October 1994 had been in the news in Switzerland and Canada when 53 of its members either committed suicide or were murdered. But even after this tragedy, the sect had continued to function. To this day its motivation and goals remain wrapped in secrecy. The Dangers of Religious Secrecy In view of such occurrences, is it any wonder that many people cast a wary eye in the direction of religious groups? Certainly no one would want to support a secret organization—religious or nonreligious—that misuses his trust and causes him to pursue goals with which he does not agree. What can people do, though, to avoid falling into the trap of involvement with secret societies of a questionable nature? Good question! Obviously, anyone considering membership in a secret society would be wise to ascertain its real objectives. Now, they tell me! Pressure from friends or acquaintances should be guarded against, and decisions ought to be based not on emotion but on facts. If members were given all the facts! Remember, it is likely the individual himself—not others—who will be called upon to suffer any possible consequences. Thanks a lot WTBTS!
	Jehovah's Witnesses are happy to reveal who they are and what they are doing Really do you see anyone smiling!		Following Bible principles is the surest method of steering clear of dangerous groups whose motives are less than honorable. Unless the dagerous group uses bible principles to get their member hood winked! Adding scales to the eyes! Just the opposite of what happened to Paul. His scales fail off the Jehovah Witness scales are applied to the eyes a long with sunglasses! ( Isaiah 30:21 ) This involves maintaining political neutrality, showing love to others, even to enemies, avoiding "the works of the flesh," and cultivating the fruitage of God's spirit. Above all, true Christians must be no part of the world, even as Jesus was no part, and this course precludes participating in worldly secret societies. Well there you have the above paragraph explains the manipulating powers of the WTBTS be no part of the world if you are a true Christain— Galatians 5:19-23 ; John 17:14 , 16 ; 18:36 ; Romans 12:17-21 ; James 4:4 . If I just read the scriptures maybe it would make sense! Jesus was no part of the world but he gave his life for all! Jehovah's Witnesses are earnest studentsStudents really naem the college, high school, ok pre-school? That a lie! They have no school of the Bible who take their faith seriously and try openly to live accordingly. Worldwide, they are well-known as a religious group that 'seeks peace and pursues it.' Ok so who cares if they do not allow members to speak to family members who do not want to attend anymore or in need of help let the state take care of them!( 1 Peter 3:11 ) Their book Jehovah's Witnesses—Proclaimers of God's Kingdom correctly notes: "Jehovah's Witnesses are in no sense a secret society. Their Bible-based beliefs are fully explained in publications that are available to anyone. Ask for any book written by founder Charles T.Russell or Rutherford and see if it will be available? Jehovah book by Rutherford. Additionally, they put forth special effort to invite the public to attend meetings to see and hear for themselves what takes place." Please everyone, walk into the kingdom hall and asked for the Jehovah book written by Rutherford! True religion in no way practices secretiveness. Okay! Worshipers of the true God have been instructed not to hide their identity or to obscure their purpose as Jehovah's Witnesses. Most Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to keep their identity quiet! The early disciples of Jesus filled Jerusalem with their teaching. They were out in the open as to their beliefs and activity. The same is true of Jehovah's Witnesses today. Understandably, when dictatorial regimes wrongfully restrict freedom of worship, Christians must cautiously and courageously carry on their activity, obeying "God as ruler rather than men," a situation that is forced upon them because of their courageous public witness.— Acts 5:27-29 ; 8:1 ; 12:1-14 ; Matthew 10:16 , 26, 27 . Here we go again with the brain washing! by use of scriptures! If it ever crossed your mind that Jehovah's Witnesses might be a secret cult or sect, that was likely because you knew too little about them. That must have been the situation with many in the first century. Does anyone want to answer the above question ? Acts chapter 28 tells us of a meeting that the apostle Paul had in Rome with "the principal men of the Jews." They said to him: "We think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against." ( Acts 28:16-22 ) In response, Paul "explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the kingdom of God," and "some began to believe." They did teach a future kingdom starting in 1914 ! ( Acts 28:23, 24 ) It certainly was to their lasting benefit to get the actual facts concerning true Christianity. True Christians say who? Dedicated as they are to the open and public service of God, Jehovah's Witnesses will be happy to reveal the plain facts of their activity and beliefs to anyone who cares to know the facts. I would! Why not investigate for yourself, thus being in position to be properly informed as to their faith?
			Let us not call all at once! Do you think we would get a honest answer?

Appeared in The Watchtower June 1, 1997

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Watchtower Secret Society....

by Sarah Smiles in

here is part of the posted watchtower on the wtbts .

secret groups in modern times have often been formed for quite honorable reasons, possibly for "social and benevolent purposes," according to the encyclopdia britannica, and "to carry out charitable and educational programs.

" some fraternal organizations, youth clubs, social clubs, and other groups are also secret, or at least semisecret.

Sarah Smiles

Here is part of the posted Watchtower on the WTBTS

Secret groups in modern times have often been formed for quite honorable reasons, possibly for "social and benevolent purposes," according to the Encyclopædia Britannica, and "to carry out charitable and educational programs." Some fraternal organizations, youth clubs, social clubs, and other groups are also secret, or at least semisecret. Generally, these groups are innocent, their members simply finding secrecy exciting. Secret rites of initiation have strong emotional appeal and strengthen the bonds of camaraderie and unity. Members gain the feeling of belonging and a sense of purpose. Secret societies of this kind usually are no threat to nonmembers. Outsiders are none the worse off for not knowing the secrets.
When Secrecy Signals Danger
Not all secret groups are secret to the same degree. But those that have "secrets within secrets," as the Encyclopædia Britannica expresses it, pose a particular danger. It explains that "by the use of special names, ordeals or revelations," members of the top ranks manage to "set themselves apart," thereby stimulating "the lower ranks to the effort necessary to reach the exalted degrees." The danger inherent in such groups is obvious. Those in the lower echelons may be completely unaware of the real objectives of the organization, not having as yet progressed to that level of revelation. It is easy to become involved in a group whose goals and methods of achieving them are only partially recognized and, indeed, perhaps not even fully shared. But the person who has been initiated into such a group may later find it difficult to free himself; he is, as it were, bound by chains of secrecy.

It sounds like the WTBTS knows from first hand about secret society and the signs of danger! Special Names, ordeals, and revelations! Is there such thing as a safe secret society! do you see something wrong with the WT viewpoints and why did they put a 1975 WT online.

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I need help -- What is the WT stance?

by reneeisorym in

i swear i remember that you can't eat with a dfed person even if they live in the same house.

(for example, a jw husband can't eat with his dfed wife).

did i make this up or is that the truth?.

Sarah Smiles

Interesting that scripture only says fornicator and greedy person! That is a laugh because that excludes most people that are DFd or apostates! because they are not fornicators or greedy people. How many JDUBs are greedy? lack charity? So if one is not greedy then they are giving,charitable which is love! Ok so the Jehovah Witness do not have food,clothing banks, or give to the poor! LOL oh boy!

Opps! I forgot about [gross sins] but the point is still there! LOL

Sarah Smiles

Posts by Sarah Smiles

Secret Societies—How Great the Threat?

Secrecy in the Name of the Lord

The Dangers of Religious Secrecy

When Secrecy Signals Danger

Secret Societies—
How Great the Threat?